We interview Ruymán Rodríguez, a well-known Canarian anarchist, due to the latest legal-police attack he is suffering. He is accused of having kicked a civil guard during illegal detention and in which he suffered torture. Ruymán’s spirit is good, and throughout the interview he emphasizes the error of “personalizing” the struggles, and especially those with a repressive background. Member of the Anarchist Federation of Gran Canaria (FAGC) and the Tenant Union of Gran Canaria (SIGC), the political and militant work that this comrade has developed over several decades leads him, like many other people, to see face to face the repression of a revanchist state that causes the social injustices that it has caused in a society full of waiting.

Given the length of the document, that we provide both audio and transcription, and understanding the speeds at which news is consumed today, we believe it is mandatory to highlight some of the statements collected, which of course do not exhaust the interview itself, nor are they necessarily the most important that he has shared with this medium.

In the first place we focus on the origin and functioning of both the FAGC and the SIGC, on this aspect, as Ruyman points out, at first and shortly after the end of the 15M the Federation developed a “conventional” anarchism (in part for convinced), which in a short time took the form of a militancy at the foot of the street that tried, and managed, to facilitate that the tools of the libertarian movement reached the popular classes of its environment, fundamentally from the creation of the mentioned Tenants Union. The Canary Islands, a country with endemic unemployment and precariousness, suffers from a chronic housing problem, which is accentuated due to the boom in houses for the holiday market, as well as the landing of vulture funds, which Ruymán announces has already been produced. It is precisely because of this militant and solidarity work that the comrade suffered the fateful arrest, where he was subjected to torture, and in which he highlights some words said by a police officer: “What are they doing here, filling this with rabble, when they should be burning containers in Las Palmas ”. In the vague, murky imaginary of the state security forces and bodies it seems that this is the work to which the anarchists dedicate themselves, Ruymán’s reflection on the matter is clear, of course it is much more uncomfortable to facilitate access to housing for the dispossessed of everything (except courage and need), rather than damaging urban furniture. and in which he highlights some words said by a police officer: “What are they doing here, filling this up with rabble, when what they should be burning containers in Las Palmas”. In the vague, murky imaginary of the state security forces and bodies it seems that this is the work to which the anarchists dedicate themselves, Ruymán’s reflection on the matter is clear, of course it is much more uncomfortable to facilitate access to housing for the dispossessed of everything (except courage and need), rather than damaging urban furniture. and in which he highlights some words said by a police officer: “What are they doing here, filling this up with rabble, when what they should be burning containers in Las Palmas”. In the vague, murky imaginary of the state security forces and bodies it seems that this is the work to which the anarchists dedicate themselves, Ruymán’s reflection on the matter is clear, of course it is much more uncomfortable to facilitate access to housing for the dispossessed of everything (except courage and need), rather than damaging urban furniture.

We continue the conversation dealing with current affairs. You cannot miss the obligatory mention of the migratory crisis in the Islands, a crisis that has also injected racism and is allowing the extreme right to make its way in the Canary Islands precisely thanks to the institutional racism of the governments (Canary Islands and Spanish), but also of the European Union, and as the comrade says, of the media. Interesting words in this sense are dedicated precisely to the well-known fourth estate: “if before racism was the product of misinformation, today it is the product of excess information.” This occurs in an archipelago in which, at various times in history, more island natives lived in the diaspora than on the Islands. Venezuela, called the eighth island, I got to host thousands of islanders fleeing hunger, unemployment or repression, a recent history that is worth not letting go into oblivion. In this way, and if it is the excess of information that is partly causing the racist connate in the archipelago, it is also true that the Canary Islands still live largely with their backs to a continent that is scarcely ninety-five miles away. . This is why, in the face of a natural phenomenon such as migration, the media manages to popularize a story centered on words such as “invasion” or “wave”, ignoring that every year the Canary Islands receive around fifteen million mainly European tourists. And if it is the excess of information that is partly causing the racist connate in the archipelago, it is also true that the Canary Islands still live largely with their backs to a continent that is scarcely ninety-five miles away. This is why, in the face of a natural phenomenon such as migration, the media manages to popularize a story centered on words such as “invasion” or “wave”, ignoring that every year the Canary Islands receive around fifteen million mainly European tourists. And if it is the excess of information that is partly causing the racist connate in the archipelago, it is also true that the Canary Islands still live largely with their backs to a continent that is scarcely ninety-five miles away. This is why, in the face of a natural phenomenon such as migration, the media manages to popularize a story centered on words such as “invasion” or “wave”, ignoring that every year the Canary Islands receive around fifteen million mainly European tourists.

The pandemic, or the last cycle of mobilizations that has occurred since the arrest of Pablo Hasel, are issues that we also asked Ruymán about. Regarding the first, he points out the harsh impact it has had on the economy of the archipelago, deepening a crisis that has been primed with a territory that is the poorest in “political Europe”, and of course affecting the dynamics of the groups in who participates and whose work cannot be essentially redirected to the telematic field. He reminds of the mobilizations that it is not the repression directed in a personal way towards a militant that awakens the people in the streets, he insists it is the need. That need that is imposed on the genocidal logic of a decadent system,

Finally Ruymán insists on not personalizing the conflict. How to help in his case? Simple, acting as a speaker, but above all, military, engaging, whether in the IACS, in the anti-repressive struggle, or in any of the issues that concern us, this is the best medicine and the best vehicle for Solidarity among Accrats is not just a written word.

Audio interview. Transcription:

– Kaos Canarias: How are you, Ruymán?

– Ruymán: Well, within what is possible with all the circumstances that are occurring, apart from my particular case at a social level, surviving is not little.

– Kaos Canarias : Before entering this repressive process that you are experiencing, we have mentioned some of the groups in which you have struggled or are struggling, to this day, in favor of Anarchy in the Canary Islands, we would like to know how the FAGC arises and as this IACS also arises, it is impossible that it does not bring reminiscences of past struggles in the archipelago, as have been other tenant strikes and other processes that have also occurred in the Islands.

– Ruymán: The FAGC was born mainly in all the ferment that is the 15M, there we went to the squares almost 10 years ago several anarchists who had no relationship with each other other than some small groups. There we were seeing that we were more arcats than we really believed. We began to radicalize the discourse that in some cases did not transcend electoral law reforms or even support for small parties of that time, such as UPyD, that was said in the squares, and we wanted to take it to another terrain, that of grave economic and housing circumstances that we are suffering in the Canary Islands. As time went by, we realized that even though we had that more global vision, the anarchism that we were defending in those places was more like the conventional anarchism that we could see in the peninsula,

Then we started to change the discourse. The first reality shock occurred when San Telmo was evicted, this happens and the campers who were there for fun returned home, but the campers who were there because they had no place to live, who actually ended up living in the Plaza de San Telmo, they stayed on the street. This was our first contact with a very harsh reality, and we did our first squatting project to help these colleagues and it was a first contact that led us to want to get into a broader front: that of basic needs. That’s when the black bloc, as they called us, became the Anarchist Federation of Gran Canaria, uniting groups from the north and south of the island. We still had a small stage of what I call conventional anarchism, which was very fun , We painted the faces of the yellow unions, we threw Nazis out of the demonstrations, very well and necessary. But the big problem with this is that spectacular actions do not have a path if there is no basic work. It is of little use that you are giving a great speech against the yellow unions if you cannot advise precarious workers yourself, it is of little use that you are giving a speech against the gentrification processes if the families that are being thrown into the streets by that process do not find the anarchist tools, which are an alternative to solve their problem. Then, it is when for me the second stage of the FAGC was born, which is the most interesting, when we get into the basic needs, in the houses, in making self-consumption gardens, in creating a health and aid network for migrants in situations of persecution, a network that continues to this day and that keeps in contact with more than two hundred people, ten community projects that survive today on the Island, none evicted, with some with eight years of history like “La Esperanza”. The movement that we have created is quite strong.

There is a circumstance, and it is that, according to the FAGC it was getting more into these problems, the classical anarchists were leaving, and as this happened, neighbors and more neighbors entered, who became radicalized on contact but did not necessarily have to assume a anarchist ideology. It is then when we began to consider a broader organization, where these neighbors could feel more comfortable, and could make it their own, without having to join an anarchist federation. As you pointed out, we look back at the famous Tenerife Tenants Union of thirty-three, those rich experiences that occurred in these Islands and that nobody knows about or are very marginalized by historiography. This is how we decided to create that tenant union, the first in the entire state, this is something that is on the edge, but the first tenant union in the entire state is created here, in the Canary Islands. The truth is that it was a success, hundreds of affiliates, people very happy, very proud of their union, and in the end the FAGC has been referring the housing disputes to the union and has focused more on the political aspect of the social struggle , and in other aspects such as migration, we also have an advisory space for precarious workers, who above all deal with many colleagues who practice prostitution and do not know how to process issues such as a non-contributory pension or certain types of things. The latter occurs because there is no type of service of these characteristics here on the Island, for the most precarious and most screwed up by the system. So we have several projects,

– Kaos Canarias : They are a lot of experiences, which can be summarized in a few minutes but of course they are the fruit of many years of combativeness, of reflections, and we cannot escape that there is a new reality that is imposed on us: the pandemic. At what moment are the organizations you mentioned currently, and how have they dealt with this new context that has caused COVID-19?

– Ruymán: For organizations such as the Federation or the Union, which do not depend as much as others on the telematic media, it is complicated. The FAGC and the SIGC need direct contact, see their affiliates, know the person, know about their case, all this with COVID-19 has changed. This is the clear fact that the disease exists, hundreds of sick and dead, is undeniable, but it has also been a pretext for imposing a much harsher, much cruder social model. We already warned before the pandemic, when the signs of confinement began to arrive, public health and its viability were questioned, businessmen who undertake ERTEs are represented as heroes, let us also think of those who are totally excluded, the unemployed, in all those workers who were paid in B, in those who cared for children or the elderly, dependent people, all those who could not go to work overnight, the people who practice prostitution, already criminalized even more, and above all the great problem that we have detected is that of the migrant population. COVID-19 has been the great pretext to limit the mobility of migrants, it has been used first as a wild card to criminalize, it has not been a phenomenon that occurred first on the street, racism has been inoculated by the institutions. The media have not stopped relating immigration and crime, migration and disease, relationships that have led many people to assume the discourse of the most reactionary extreme right, it is curious because before it was racism due to misinformation, today it is due to overinformation. Definitely,

All of this is something that we had already experienced very closely at the FAGC. We had a project from years ago, called “Las masías”, it has that picturesque name of Catalan houses because the colleagues from CNT-Sabadell helped us financially at a specific moment and with that money we were able to organize the reception project for migrants. Since COVID-19, no more people have arrived, but they do have a more precarious situation, so we have created another project that we call “El Refugio”. Before they came with their passport and continued with their trip, now it is not like that, this Europe of fear and terror does not want them in their white continent but wants them to stay in the Canary Islands, which has become the largest prison in the state. When it is said that the concentration camps were not going to return after 1945, it turns out that we have them in the Canary Islands, with malnourished and abused people. There are serious statements that show this, such as that of the magistrate, who the other day acknowledged on TV how he heard that the police threatened the migrants with bursting their heads if they got out of the cords that were defined for them. We are allowing crimes against humanity against people only because of their skin color, that in international law is called genocide, but no one will ever be prosecuted for that, because here it is worth less than twelve thousand people are living in shame camps, or who are abandoned in the ravines, children included, who allegedly kicked a civil guard. Here the second is much more punitive than the first. with malnourished, abused people. There are serious statements that show this, such as that of the magistrate, who the other day acknowledged on TV how he heard that the police threatened the migrants with bursting their heads if they got out of the cords that were defined for them. We are allowing crimes against humanity against people just because of their skin color, that in international law is called genocide, but no one will ever be prosecuted for that, because here it is worth less than twelve thousand people are living in shame camps, or who are abandoned in the ravines, children included, who allegedly kicked a civil guard. Here the second is much more punitive than the first. with malnourished, abused people. There are serious statements that show this, such as that of the magistrate, who the other day acknowledged on TV how he heard that the police threatened the migrants with bursting their heads if they got out of the cords that were defined for them. We are allowing crimes against humanity against people only because of their skin color, that in international law is called genocide, but no one will ever be prosecuted for that, because here it is worth less than twelve thousand people are living in shame camps, or who are abandoned in the ravines, children included, who allegedly kicked a civil guard. Here the second is much more punitive than the first. who the other day acknowledged on TV how he heard that the police threatened the migrants with bursting their heads if they got out of the cords that were defined for them. We are allowing crimes against humanity against people only because of their skin color, that in international law is called genocide, but no one will ever be prosecuted for that, because here it is worth less than twelve thousand people are living in shame camps, or who are abandoned in the ravines, children included, who allegedly kicked a civil guard. Here the second is much more punitive than the first. who the other day acknowledged on TV how he heard that the police threatened the migrants with bursting their heads if they got out of the cords that were defined for them. We are allowing crimes against humanity against people only because of their skin color, that in international law is called genocide, but no one will ever be prosecuted for that, because here it is worth less than twelve thousand people are living in shame camps, or who are abandoned in the ravines, children included, who allegedly kicked a civil guard. Here the second is much more punitive than the first. That in international law is called genocide, but no one will ever be prosecuted for that, because here it is worth less than twelve thousand people who are living poorly in fields of shame, or who are abandoned in the ravines, children included, than an alleged kick to a guard civil. Here the second is much more punitive than the first. That in international law is called genocide, but no one will ever be prosecuted for that, because here it is worth less than twelve thousand people who are living poorly in fields of shame, or who are abandoned in the ravines, children included, than an alleged kick to a guard civil. Here the second is much more punitive than the first.

– Kaos Canarias : It seems that it is proven time and again that their justice is not ours. In line with what you are commenting on, there are many interesting questions, but perhaps a remarkable one is the growth of the extreme right, something unheard of in the Islands. Here the presence of Spanish flags was very unusual, something that has been gaining ground, but it seems that this excess of information that you indicate is on the way to normalize those hate messages as well. Do you think that there is a proliferation of the extreme right in the Canary Islands and that this responds to the interests of some elites?

– Ruymán:I believe that there is a proliferation of the extreme right throughout the state, and it is entering, mainly, in the Canary Islands precisely because the ideological niche of the reaction against immigration has been sought. But on this we have to be very clear, what is here is a historical journey that must be analyzed. In all stages of humanity there is a moment of crisis, as was the case for example in 1922 in Italy, they occupy factories, there is a lot of unemployment and hunger, the high bourgeoisie is scared and ends up resorting to paramilitary forces that end up being fascism . It is the moment of the fascist march on Rome and they occupy power, because when capital feels that it is in danger, it runs into the hands of the extreme right. The same is true in Germany, There is a situation of unemployment and crisis caused by the defeat of the Second World War and what the elites do is take refuge in the National Socialist Party. They are looking for a scapegoat, at that time it was the Jews, he did not care that many were dyers, laborers, that they were begging, they generate anti-Semitism based on a fictitious international Jewish conspiracy. The same happens in the Spanish state, during the period of the Second Republic. This does not fulfill what it promised, there is no agrarian reform, unemployment continues, workers are repressed, the case of Casas Viejas in 1933, the deportation of anarchists to the colonies, the Canary Islands and Villacisneros, and as a result of this there are several attempts and revolutionary attempts on the part of the labor movement. This is what leads to this reinforcement of extreme right-wing positions, which feel brave enough to strike a coup and impose a forty-year or seventy-year dictatorship on us because I think we have to tell what we have been doing. This is what is being reproduced, it is not a conspiracy theory, it is called History. We are living a moment, exacerbated by this problem of the covid, of systemic crisis, the kids who were born during the two thousand or even in the nineties have only known crisis. We have had, the financial, the covid, the one that will come later, we are talking about the majority of young people between twenty-five and thirty years old are unable to emancipate themselves. We are also talking about forty percent unemployment, the highest in Europe, we are talking about the Canary Islands, for example, We have the lowest salaries in the state, competing with Extremadura but with the great difference that here we have one of the highest rents, the fourth highest rise is here. We are also talking about an absolutely tertiary economy, dependent on tourism, when something like this pandemic happens we find ourselves with a failed economic model, dependent on something as volatile as tourism, it leads us to a very rapid acceleration of impoverishment. We know that there are 800,000 poorer people since the pandemic began, while the rich 26 billion euros richer than before, they have not been affected by the pandemic. All this context can only lead to one thing, with the excuse of Hasel that is the trigger but not the cause, protests in the streets. People defend themselves against structural violence and the system needs to polarize the situation, and take it to the extreme right. In this way, they oppose popular power, rage born from below, a power and rage born from above. The media take any hoax taken from twitter and sell it as counter information, one case of this is the migrants who were shown frolicking in hotel pools, of which there are no images is how many of them ended up being deported or are now living in ravines. The institutions, to the left or to the right, we weigh and we can, the most progressive government in history and also the local government, which have no intention of repealing the gag laws, the labor reform or the immigration law, have created a truly fascist policy. . This consists of the incarceration of people without having committed any crime other than being born in Africa, and being of black pigmentation. When governments are treated in this way, when information is managed in this way by the media, what happens is that people also reproduce the message. Street racism is a reflection of institutional racism, and all those people who reproduce it are de facto endorsed by the policies that are being developed. Let’s put the case, that if we do a demonstration against racism, rest assured that if we do not notify the Subdelegation of the Government in a few minutes the IPU comes and evicts us with sticks, the people have come out to demonstrate against immigration. what have the police done? Ingratiate yourself with the protesters, put your hand on their shoulders and leave quietly.

– Kaos Canarias : It is a discouraging outlook, despite that we continue to struggle. We would like to ask you now precisely about the case you are facing. How and when does that illegal arrest take place in which you are accused of having kicked a civil guard?

– Ruymán :At that time I was involved in helping the La Esperanza community, this is the largest squatting project in the entire state and it is being developed in the Municipality of Santa María Guía, there are seventy-six families living there, about two hundred people. It was two thousand and fifteen, and the relocation of all the families was nearing completion, finalizing various issues, but the state security forces and bodies were uncomfortable with our presence. It was one day that I was going to my job, I stopped a car of the secret that they say to be civil guards, although they do not identify themselves, they request my DNI, I give it to them and according to these my face does not match the one on the document. At that moment they tell me that they must take me to the police station to confirm my identification and once there the most pathetic show that I have seen in my life takes place, and I have years to have seen one. They start chanting “Ruymán has already fallen” to applause, at first I take it as a joke because it seems pathetic adult people doing that, they take my work bag, they open it and throw it away, making constant provocations that seem to seek a reaction from me . Some of the things they tell me are: Do you know what Intxaurrondo is? Well, here you will know what Intxaurrondo is. Now we are going to make you do push-ups. You’re going to shit red shit. Anarchist, you fucking mother. They were all homophobic, macho insults, in the trial I will have to repeat them but here I save them, everything that can be expected from a democratic police. I stay cold, because I understand how they work, and I call them fascist. In all this there are several things that have stuck with me because they are very interesting, One of them is: What the hell am I doing here, in Guía, helping people and relocating families, that what I should be in Las Palmas is burning ATMs and containers, that is what anarchists have to do. This has given me to understand that they are much more concerned that we anarchists are helping families and stopping evictions than anything else. In one of these they also tell me that I was filling Guia with all the rabble that they do not want in Jinamar or Geria. These last two are two working class neighborhoods, very marginalized. Guide, for those who are not from the Island and do not know it, it is a very old neighborhood, with some neighbors with strong purchasing power, and where they pride themselves on having the Civil Guard and the Judicial Party in the area, La Esperanza seems that clashed with the “values” of the place. As my ears were already hot, I gave them a very simple answer: That mob were not the people I defended, and that I helped to relocate, mob were politicians and businessmen, whose interests they defended. They did not like the answer and they gave me the first slap, immediately afterwards they handcuffed me and began the knees, the elbows, they pushed me on the table, and they hit my back with the fenders and then they began to strangle me. They strangle me several times, and on the last one I start vomiting blood, and that’s when they stop. After the strangulation, the first thing I say when I catch my breath is I want habeas corpus, I want to be taken to a doctor, and I want this lawyer to be called. This broke them, because they thought they had arrested someone who had no idea how the proceedings were going in an arrest, and from then on the insults and comments did not end, but the aggressions did stop. The next day I appeared before the judge, this determined that there was not a crime of attack on authority but of disobedience, they appealed (something unusual) and asked me to jail. Throughout this very long process of six years, they have ended up being indicted ex officio for torture and illegal detention. What’s going on? That we have received the letter from the prosecution, and they ask for acquittal for them, because I cannot provide witnesses or graphic evidence that I was tortured at the police station. This is what usually happens when you are tortured in the police station, that you don’t take out your mobile and you don’t have friends there to tell them: hey, look what they’re doing to me. So, I am going to be sentenced, they will try to keep me calm with it for a few years (so that the sentence is not carried out) and thereby punish this anarchist movement and for the housing that has been generated here and that I think has bothered them above of its possibilities.

– Kaos Canarias : This new montage against your person, is made public in the midst of a dynamic of mobilizations in favor of freedom of expression, which, as you have already pointed out, encompasses a series of problems partly the result of the pandemic but, in they largely respond to contradictions that are structural and inherent in the system itself. What is your opinion of this new cycle? Are we in a dynamic that closes the 15M that has affected several generations?

– Ruymán:I would like, that a dynamic like the 15M could be reproduced but not repeating mistakes, that red line of a misunderstood pacifism, in which a roadblock was considered to be violence and that when the police charged, people were applauded. this, while reproaching the people who supported the load on their feet, because it does not seem to me that it is an experience to repeat. But everything else, the discontent, taking over the public space, now that they are difficult with this COVID19 and others, if I would like it to be reproduced, and for this discontent to be maintained as something more organized. The problem is that, I think there is a lack of a program, a project, of what we want, what we demand, and I think that, and my opinion in this sense is not very popular in the FAGC, that it is a problem that we personalize the repressive problems in Hasel, Ruyman, whatever. I say this because personalism overshadows everything else, here people are not protesting for one or the other, they do it because there is chronic and chronic misery, and because there are plenty of reasons to go out to the streets to protest. The problem is that, when everything is focused on one person and focused, if Hasel is pardoned tomorrow, is there no longer any reason for discontent, do we go home? If I am acquitted tomorrow (which will not happen), are there no reasons to continue claiming? There are reasons, here there is still a penal code that penalizes blasphemy, there is still a penal code that stipulates that it is a crime to insult the king, the crown, the autonomous communities. If I say here, “I shit in La Rioja”, with all the affection for the people of La Rioja, A man can report me and a judge will ask me: Did you say in an interview with KaosenlaRed that you shit in such an Autonomous Community? I mean, that’s how crazy this system is.

Kaos Canarias: You have commented that the island reality in many points differs from that of the rest of the Spanish state. The migration crisis, the institutional racism that has reached the neighborhoods and is penetrating there, or the issue of unemployment that seems to be almost another protected endemism, as well as job insecurity, employer abuses, the housing problem, etc. . Do you think there is a possibility that the demonstrations that we have seen in the peninsula reach the Canary Islands? Or perhaps this new cycle that we were discussing, more of an island nature, that responds to these problems, or others that have not emerged during the interview, is still pending?

– Ruymán:I believe that it is possible and desirable, I do not know if it will happen. The question is that, not to focus on specific cases, in the Canary Islands we have very characteristic and very specific circumstances. We are the territory of the poorest political Europe, we have a population completely educated and raised in that this is not Africa, and we hardly know what happens on a continent that is ninety-five kilometers away, and yet any trouble that happens in Europe yes we are fully informed. We live with our backs to our reality, and that makes us feel second-rate European, when there are devastating economic and social conditions here. In other words, the middle neighborhoods of the Canary Islands are plunged into a much more impoverished circumstance than perhaps those great pools of poverty that may exist in many territories of the peninsula. This is our reality, and there are reasons to go out on the streets, when talking about the increase in unemployment levels or youth unemployment in Spain, here are the normal ones. That reality that here we are paying the square meter of rent at ten euros, or even fifteen, how are you going to pay this when you have an income of four hundred and thirty euros? This is what people have for allowance. This is not talked about, we have a population that is known to have objective criteria to set the city on fire, and the way the system has had to prevent this from happening is to maintain the umbilical cord of subsidies, because without this there would be no way to maintain social peace. We have a population, in neighborhoods that reach up to seventy percent unemployment, which is supposed to live on these subsidies, it is not like that, They do it from the economy in B, from the black economy. This with COVID-19 has been a tremendous blow to the economy of families, the problem is that, to include everything in a larger campaign, and not see everything in isolation. It is true, here there is a problem of freedom of expression, an outdated penal code, but we must also go out to the streets to eliminate the immigration law, because if we are not accomplices of that violence, here we must go out because there is four aristocrats who own the land and have been doing so almost since the conquest, here you have to go out on the street because enough that the land belongs to the hotel lobby, here you have to go out because there are popular neighborhoods (like de San Cristóbal) who are being gentrified by vacation housing, and in the end the poor will end up being thrown into the sea. The problem, and this the Canarian population has to know very well, we do not have it among our neighbors, among the migrants who come more screwed up than us, we have it above. It is a parasitic class, it is a hotel lobby that controls government policies at will, and in a financial capitalism represented by vulture funds, which have already landed in the Islands, and are retaining one hundred thirty-eight thousand houses in the Canary Islands. empty to raise the market price. If there are no reasons to go out here, there are no reasons anywhere. It is a hotel lobby that controls government policies at will, and in a financial capitalism represented by vulture funds, which have already landed in the Islands, and are holding one hundred and thirty-eight thousand empty houses in the Canary Islands to raise the price From the market. If there are no reasons to go out here, there are no reasons anywhere. It is a hotel lobby that controls government policies at will, and in a financial capitalism represented by vulture funds, which have already landed in the Islands, and are holding one hundred and thirty-eight thousand empty houses in the Canary Islands to raise the price From the market. If there are no reasons to go out here, there are no reasons anywhere.

– Kaos Canarias: Do you consider that this process you are facing responds to some kind of harm or revenge that certain local powers may have against you, precisely because of that activist work? Do you think that we are on the verge of a new repressive wave, if you like, this begins with comrades who have meant themselves for different reasons, but that the deep sea brings precisely new processes aimed at maintaining the so-called social peace?

– Ruymán:Completely. Here citizen security laws are established as of 15M, there is a need for people to know how to disobey is a crime. Misdemeanors, minor or serious, disappeared, crimes are paid with much higher jail sentences, luckily it caught me before the gag law was applied, because otherwise it would be a much higher penalty. All this is because, every time there is social discontent, the government reacts as it reacts, intensifying the repression so that people are scared and do not go to the streets. Anyway, I think that maybe they do it in a very clumsy way, because if a person realizes that they can receive a six thousand euros fine for doing nothing, that I can go to jail for doing nothing, maybe It is posed: since I am going to piss off for doing nothing, I am going to do something. The repression is being very clumsy, and is causing what happens in the streets. Precisely when I say, if you do not focus on people, if you have power, it is stupid and has a square mentality that has allowed it to function for a long time, think that is why you believe that all movements depend on leaders. The movement in Gran Canaria has no leader, a spokesperson becomes ill and two arise, three arise, for a long time if it has happened to us that there was a fear of showing up, and the spokesperson fell to me, simply because I already You see that I like to move my beak, but this is no longer the case, I am not essential. The idea that by charging me they would end the movement was an absurd idea, but it explains why they have done this, and that there is an escalation of repression, well, totally. It is not by chance that they have arrested the eight colleagues in Catalonia with that new absurd case of the “bic” lighters. Regarding this, it is being put on the table that an indicative evidence of a crime is that the eight companions have the same type of lighter, that is something that a lawyer writes and then a newspaper publishes. Then the two comrades in Granada for demonstrating in favor of Pablo Hasel’s freedom, five comrades in Euskal Herria, who are not being talked about as much as about other cases, and I’m going to stop on this. It hurts me that hierarchies are established among the detainees, that some of us have the opportunity to talk about our situation and others whose name is not even known and are feeling alone or abandoned in prison, this affects us all. What can happen that tomorrow I get flushed, for the unfounded kick to that man and tomorrow they will push you for interviewing me, and then I don’t know who for having broadcast this interview and the other to … this is so, it is a chain. Anyone who has a dissident mentality, they are going to go for it, what is the problem? That they are charging against the anarchists, as has happened historically, because apart from the fact that we have a discourse that if it penetrates the population it can radicalize it, there is another problem and that is that we have very little social support. This is so, apart from the black legend, there is nothing more to see as for the eight comrades detained in Catalonia there have not been mobilizations like the ones we have seen, for those in Granada that dynamic has not happened either, they know that hitting us does not there is going to be that social protest.

– Kaos Canarias: A few weeks ago we began to see the solidarity campaign that is being deployed around your case. Do you consider that there is a supportive environment capable of assuming this type of problem in Gran Canaria? Let’s say, the management of repression by the comrades. And internationally? I mean, how are we going to turn into reality that classic, libertarian slogan that expresses that solidarity should not be just the written word.

– Ruymán:It’s a very good question. The problem here is that antirepressive struggles absorb all resources and forces in a single cause, they are battles that the state starts knowing that they are processes of attrition. One person is arrested, another takes to the streets to demonstrate in support and is also detained, and thus they are adding to this vicious circle that drags paying lawyers, fines and that drags people who end up being deprived of their liberty even. In the end, the antirepressant front wears out a lot, and that’s why they want to put us in that dynamic. However, I am very optimistic, I am seeing the comrades of the union and the FAGC, wallpapering the Island, it is something that excites me a lot, I am seeing graffiti in Barcelona, ​​in Catalan asking for my freedom, I am easily moved by the truth, comrades of Germany, colleagues spreading it in English and giving it a course throughout the world. I think that we are not the mass movement that we were maybe eighty years ago, but, the best people that I have known are in the anarchist movement, and they are among those who call themselves anarchists and are giving their all so that a partner does not feel alone, and they are giving their all. We cannot be naive, and think that solidarity will stop the blows, but it does make us feel much better when it comes to receiving them. Today I am very proud of the movement, of the Spanish state and of the international state, if they can do all this like a murderer like me, it is clear that they will do the same for anyone if the repression worsens here in the Islands. But the best people I have ever met are in the anarchist movement, and they are among those who call themselves anarchists and are giving everything so that a comrade does not feel alone, and they are giving everything. We cannot be naive, and think that solidarity will stop the blows, but it does make us feel much better when it comes to receiving them. Today I am very proud of the movement, of the Spanish state and of the international one, if they can do all this like a murderer like me, it is clear that they will do the same for anyone if the repression worsens here in the Islands. But the best people I have ever met are in the anarchist movement, and they are among those who call themselves anarchists and are giving everything so that a comrade does not feel alone, and they are giving everything. We cannot be naive, and think that solidarity will stop the blows, but it does make us feel much better when it comes to receiving them. Today I am very proud of the movement, of the Spanish state and of the international state, if they can do all this like a murderer like me, it is clear that they will do the same for anyone if the repression worsens here in the Islands. and to think that solidarity will stop the blows, but it does make us feel much better when it comes to receiving them. Today I am very proud of the movement, of the Spanish state and of the international state, if they can do all this like a murderer like me, it is clear that they will do the same for anyone if the repression worsens here in the Islands. and to think that solidarity will stop the blows, but it does make us feel much better when it comes to receiving them. Today I am very proud of the movement, of the Spanish state and of the international state, if they can do all this like a murderer like me, it is clear that they will do the same for anyone if the repression worsens here in the Islands.

– Kaos Canarias: We have reached the end of the interview, and precisely because we hope that this solidarity will continue to spread, we will ask you the last question: How can other colleagues show solidarity with you, or even know of other colleagues who are going through a similar process and also Do they need that care and mutual support that is so often necessary?

– Ruyman:Right now what we need the most is voice, above all to spread the word. There are many colleagues who have contacted us to find out if money is needed, since the legal expenses are covered, we knew what we were going to face and luckily that aspect is covered. We do need that voice, that people get involved, and that people take ownership not of this specific cause but of repression in general, and that they mobilize, that they move. We need everyone who is outraged by what they are going to do to me and say to himself: damn what a bastard these people are and what can I do. Well, join the Tenants Union of Gran Canaria, even if you do not have a housing problem, you can help us a lot if you take a look at the union’s website, see the phone and call and say I want to join. The same with the FAGC, We do not have a public telephone (we are not going to make it so easy for the Ministry of the Interior), but they can find us through the Union. The best medicine against repression is the military, is to join the groups that are being beaten and show the system that what they are doing is pathetic, that putting a person in jail is not going to end hunger, with unemployment, with the need, that even if a person was locked up for a hundred years, misery will continue on this ground. None of that is going to end this situation that we are experiencing. There is a phrase that I like a lot, because it is deeply real: The law is strong, but the need is much stronger, and that need is not closed with bars, sticks, truncheons, or torture. nor with ostias,

Interview by Miguel Delgado for Kaos Canarias

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Source: Awsm.nz